1956 Suburban Road Committee
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FRED. A. BELL, B.se., O. L. S.. M. E. I. C.
ENGINEER AND ROAD SUPERINTENDENT
NORMAN J. CHAP LOW
ASSISTANT ROAD SUPERINTENDENT
COURT HOUSE,
ST. THOMAS, ONT..
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ST. THOMi\.8, Ontario.
l:rovember 23rd. 1956.
T.ffi~ ST. THOM.c\S SUBURBl31J ROADS COIvIMISSION
met at the Court House at 2.30 p.m. All the ]/~embers were
present. F. S. Thomas, M.L.A. attencled the meeting.
THE ]-lIINUTES of the rfleeting held 011
October 25th. were react and al:):proved.
lliill FOLLOWING LETTER from E. C. Reid,
City Clerk was read:-
F. A. BELL, Esq.,
"THAT the Suburban Roads COImnission be asked to fo~vard
plans of the aity's Northwest Entrance, the Parker Report and other
recent data relative thereto, to the Department of Highways, Toronto,
through the local Departlllent Engineer; these l)lans to be studied by
the Departlnent preparatory to a meeting betvveen the following early
in,,1957:
Suburban Roads aommission,
City of st. Thomas Speoial COmL1ittee,
Gounty of Elgin Speoial Committee,
Representatives of Department of Highways.n
It would be appreciated if you would give the writer
a copy of' your letter to the Departrnent of Highways a.t Toronto,
indicating at the sarae' time what reports and relevant data you
have forvmrded to them.
Yours truly,
(Signed) E. C. ffi~ID
aity Clerk.n
'f.E!E COMl\IIISSIONERS approved of the view.s expressed
in the letter and the following resolution was adoptE~d.
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November 23rd. 1956.
IT 'WAS MO\TED BY
SECONDED BY
VV. R. COD"'LTER
ill. E. ROWE
THAT THill E1\fGINI~l~R be instrueted to forward
the Report, Plans and Estimates subulitted by C. C. Parker and Associates,
consulting Engineers, of the Proposed Northwest Entrance to the
City of st. Thomas, together with the briefs submitted by the
COWlty and City Engineers and other reoent data, to the
Ontario Department of Eignways for eX8xuination and recommendation.
CARRI1ID.
1VIB.. THOlvlAS informecl the COTIwission that he
and Harry A. ]JIa.ntell, Chief Location lI:ngineer of the ontario D6partrneu't
of Highways made a careful inspection of the roads in the st. Thomas
District on Wednesday, November 21st.
1-JIR. THOlV1AS explained that the Highways Department
is :making an extensive study in order to 111ake plans j~or future road
developments.
IJ:IDI: CONSTRUC'I'ION of Highway 401 has necessMated
muoh study to :plan the best location for access roads to the various
cities in the district.
T.HE CITY OF LONDON is planning a nevv four lane
Highway to connect r-righbury Avenue at the East side of the City to
Highway No. 401 and the sugge stion 1fl8.S made to extena. this proposed
route to connect with King's High1ffay No. 3 about 1 :mile East of
st. Thomas.
r,I[R. THOIY1L~S also discussed the best location for
constrncct;ing a By....pass Highway for No.. 3 in oro.er to relieve the
CJity of st. Thomas of the congested traffic on rTalbot street.
The first proposal Vi8.StO divert the traffic on a IleVl roao. South
of' the City from Yarmouth Centre to She(lden. ftjj. alt~ernati va route
has no'Vv been suggesteo.to make the route !~orth of the Ci"by from
the Highbury Avenue extension to Talbotville.
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November 23rd. 1956.
THE ADVIS.llBILITY of making a navIT eonnee'ting liIllc
betvV"eell the Welling'ton Road and HighvJay :No. :3, following
the Captain Shore Road was also d1s(russed.
THE !mETING adjourned to the call of the Chairman.
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ST. THOlvtliS I On tari o.
NOVEl\mER 7th. 1956 of
A dOINT :MEETING of
The 8t. Thomas Suburban Roads Co:m:missiof1 and
Representatives of the st. Thomas City Council and
The Elgin County CO'tTilcil m.et at the Court House
at 2 p.m.
GEORGE CROSS
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( ST. THO:N1AS SUB1JRB.J;'\I>j" ROADS OOM1ITSSION
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Present ..
W. R. COULTER
viT. E. ROWE
V!. C.. MIJ-lI.JER
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( ST. TH01l~S CITY C01~CIL
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1[. a. MOORE
FRED. A. BELL
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( ELGIN CO~ffY aOUNCIL
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d"OEN B. WILSON
CLAR11~TCECULVER
MR. COULTER acted as Chairman.
T.HE MINUTES of the meeting held 011 October 19th.
were read and approved.
'f'.EIJTI ADVISABILITY ot sectJ..ring an option on ,that
Part of Lot 1, Concession 9. TOVJ1'lship of Yarmouth, ovmed by
the Na'than Ryan EEltate was considered. Mr. Co'ulter subm:ttted
an option signed by the Administrator of the Estate agreeing
to giving a twelve month option, in oonsideration 101' the atlm
of $ 500., (JO. rrhey agreeo. to hold tor 'transtcer~',':for a term of:
one year any or, all of the lands desoribed in Deed # 36766,
to the Cotmty at the rate of ~~10.00 per foot. The option
price of ~i 500.00 to apply" on account of the purchase priee.
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l.TOVEMBER 7th. 1956.
IF 'fHE NORTH ENTRANaE is eonstruc~ted on what
is knovm as Scheme # 2 (:New stree't Rot1.te) it will benecessa.ry
to acquire a part of this property.
IT WAS MOVED BY
SEOONDED BY
TIm FOLLOVVING RESOLUTION v{as adopted:-
CL.AREN"CE C 1JL VER
GEORGE CROSS
'!'HAT 1t\1E RECO:M:MEND 'tha'tthe County Counoil
procure a one years option on the Nathan Ryan property, being
a part of Lot 1, Concession 9, 'fownship of Yarmou1:;h for the sum
of ~~ 500.00. The purohase price .tQ be at the ratEI of ~~ 10.00
per foot frontage on st. George street for all land required for
'the proposeCl. North entraIlee, 'to the City of St. Thomas.
MR. :MOORE .AND ]Jffi. ]1JILLER abs'tained from voting.
'fEE ADVISABILITY of arranging a lueeting vdth
'the Mini ster of Hign:vtTays and :Mr. Fulton, Chief Planning Engineer
Was discussed. but it was thought desire h1e by ].I!:r:. :Millerthat
this should be deoided at another meeting held at a time when
all the City Members could attend. Atfr. Bell Vias i.nstructed
'to corrGa.c't rvrrr. Reid, City Clerk and arrange for a fu.ture mae'ting.
THE MEETING adjourned at 'the eall of the Chairnlan.
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ST. THO:MAS, Ontario.
Oe~ober 25th. 1956.
THE ST. 'fROII/LAS SUBURB.A:N' ROADS CO~IIDfiSSION
me't a:t the Oonrt House at 2 p.m.
All the Members were present,.
'!'BE B:tp:F..F submitted by Ilfr. Miller 031 October 19th.
was discussed and after a general disoussion of the two schemes
of 'the North V'fest Entranoe, :reeolJl.I[tanded by G. C. Parker and
Assooiates, Consulting Engineers, the following resolution
was adopted:-
IT WAS :MOVED BY
Vv. R. COULTER
SECONDED BY
~v. E. ROVVE
'WE THE ~mJERS of the st. Thomas Suburban
Roads commission atter examining the Plans and Reports
:prepared by O.C. PARKER AND ASSOCIATES, COllsulting Engineers,
of the IJropose<l New North west E:atranca "to the City of
st. Thomas, as out1:tned :i.n the Report as Soheme /I 2 (New stree't)
an(1 fJ 5 (st. George stree't) and after oonsidering the comments
of the county a.nd City Engineers, in order 'to bring the :mat'ter
'to a conclusion, so far as this Commissiot! is concerned,
l1VE REC01\IJIVlEl<ID "that the NeVi Entrance be constructecl 011 the
Scheme # 2 (New street) Route.
CARRIED.
THE .ADVIS'..ABILI'fY of proeu.ring an option
on what is krlOw.tl as the Nathan Ryan property, 011 st. George street) f
being a part of Lot 1, eon.cession 9, Yarmouth, '\t(as eonsi.aereCl and
DlIr. Cross was instructed to oonta.c'tthe Executors o:f 'the Nathan Ryan
Estate. If the new entrance to the Ci'ty of' st. ThoJ2'l8.s follo'WS
Scheme 11 2 (NeVi Stree't) a Right of Way across this :property vlill
'be required.
THE MEETING adjourned 'to the call of the Chai~an.
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ST. THO:MA.S, Ontario.
O.,~I()~lt 19'th. 195€1.
A iOm~ :MEETING OF TIm
SUBURBAN ROADS eOJ.1.iMISSION.
REPRESENTA-TIVES OF TEE ST. 'mO:MAS CITY OOUNCIL and
'fHE COUNTY OF ELGIN, enS.
JOHN COOK, Assis~ant ~ieipal Engineer,
met at the Court House at2 p.m.
to make further st\1.<ly of 'the O.C. PAR.KER'S REPORT
OE. 'the Prop,osed North west ElIttrance otthe City of sti. Thomas.
GEORGE OROSS
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srr. THO:M:.AS stT.BURBAN Ro.ADS COML\lIJ:SSION
present - '^l. R. COULTER
w. E. ROWE
M. C. :MOORE
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ST. WO:MAS CITY COUNCIL
w. c. :MILLER
JOHN B. WILSON
d .AMES C. HINDLEY
CL.ARE:NCE Cn.rLVER
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( ELGIN OOUNTY COtlNOIL
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10m OOOK
{ ASSISTANT NIONI OlP j1L EN"Gn'f.illER
FRED. A. BELL
( COUNTY ENGINEER
MR. COULTER acted as Chai~
!f.1HE :MINfJ1!ES of the meet:t:m.g held on AUgl:lst 9th.
were :read a.l'1d approved.
AT THE MEETING held 011 August 9th. ]Jfr. Miller,
City Engineer presem:tec9. a "bl'iet giving his a:nalysis of the
Parker Report. He strongly favou.red Selleme # 5 e>r 'the
st. George Street Route. As the Representatives of
~he. Commission and County wished time ~o study this brief
Ml.'., Miller was inatrnoted -to furnish copies'to the commission.
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Oe1~()ber 19th. 1950.
Oopies of the brief vv-ere reoeived by the Commissioners 01\
Belrtember 8th. alli on Se:p'tember loth.
'fhe OOIDIli:lSsioners met
and im.structed )11'. Bell, OOlm:ty Engineer "GO pre]~are a reply
outli:nimg his views on the matter.
~~~R~~Wl1'. Bell sulmdttecl his brief to
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the Commission iJ.l. which he expressed la.imselt no~t i:a favour
of Scheme # 5 and he was il1structed to fu.rnish c!lopiesto
'the Members of the City Council, the 'fimes-Jo1lrJSlal a,,1ld.
to the st. Thomas Board of Trade.
At to-day's l'nee'ti:ng :M.r. Bell t s brief was oOjo.s1c1ered
but as :Mr. !4iller suomi tted a further sevEm. pag~:i) consideration
0tthe Parker Report,whieh he said expressed 'the views ot
the Ci"ty CO'lmcil, ,theOomm.issioners and Council ![em'bers
a.skedthat the meeting be adj ourlled so that thiiS rel)OJ?'C
eouli be carefully considered.
'fhe Meeti>>g was aijourned to the call of the Ch.air.man.
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ST.THOM}~, Ontario.
Oo'tober 2nd. 1956.
~ ST. THO:MAS SUBURB.P.:N RO.A.DS OO)V11vlISSION
met at the Oourt HOllse a.t 10 a.m.
Present - Chairman
- GEORGE CROSS
Oormnissioners
- W. R. COULTER AND Vi. E. RO"WE
Oounty Engineer - FRED. A. BELL.
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/ The minutes of the mee'ting he let c)Jl August 13th. and
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sfptember 10th. were read and approved.
I The pUl'pose of the meeting was to consider the Report
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of the County Engineer, in which he outlined his viewsl ea the two
~roposed :routes reeo:rm:nendeo. by C. C. Parker and Associ.a tes Limited,
qOl1sulting Engineers, for constructing a new en.tranceto the
North west Section of 'the Oity of st. Thomas, mavm as~
SchemeS # 2 and # 5.
Atter ,eonsid.erable discussion the tollcnvi:ng
resolution was aaopted:-
IT .~IAS :MOVED BY
SECOJ\IDED BY
w. R. COULTER
W. E. ROVtJE
ftTHAT the Report submit'ted. 'by county l~ngineer
Fred. A. Bell regarding the proposed eonstruo'i:;ion of anevV' entrance
.to the City of st. Thomas be received and w~. Bell be instructed to
ftlrnish copies to the City Council, the Chairman. of the st. Thomas
Board of Trade and 'to the st. Thomas Times-Journal".
Carried.
'rhe meeting adjourned 'to the ea.11 of 'the Chairm.a:n.
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FRED. A. BELL, B.Sc., O. L. S.. M. E. I. C.
ENGINEER AND ROAD SUPERINTENDENT
NORMAN J. CHAPLOW
ASSISTANT ROAD SUPERINTENDENT
ST. THOMAS, ONT..
COURT HOUSE.
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'rIm :>1'. ''cUOI-IAS sunUltBAU iiO,tJ)S COl>ii..;ISSION
PROPOS~D llOit.Tll \t~ST BnTI~nUCE
CITY OIl . ST 0 THOI;it,;.S. uH(f it.liIO ~
SBl?rrlgLB~R 29thfJ 1956",
~"R~D __ it. ~ B~LL.,
COUUTY ~liGIUclBRu
Ifo Tht) Chail:"Xnan 8,nd. Con:m:tissi;OlU3Tf,
of t.1;1e dt.o II'llomas Suburban .a.oads COml.llSsioI1
Gent~.l(~me.n~; ,II<'
As requested I hu,re st.udieil the report.
of ep C I: Parker and Associat,es Li.m~tted9 Consult~illZ iLnr;i,n.e~1rs~(I
1 ., t" .t.. to, . ~ ~ · t 1 d' . <I' 0"""" 1 u t' .1.
as au :>IDl 'teed. t,Q l,.I1€~ .)Cfln\.. meet~ng 11.e. o.n ta.ugUS4:';. .;-; ~rL"'7 .:H.)
alao 1;he brief' submitted by ';1 <,J C F, I'iILl,SJ:l~ CitNY l~ngine€rr:I' J)
dat;ed, .idlgust, 15th~ and the arti:l.cle reloased i~() t.he trimes'M"
(JouI"nal on ltul3ust lOtfh.?
At i;,he meeting; held. on .Augus't 9th.,
i.1.'r.~) l.-.liller \'laS tlSkEld t.o provide uc \\fith a copy of hi,s
br:l..ef 'J I have nev(~r rec.:eived a <.~opy from tfho C:itY' Hall
but. ern Sept.ember 7th1J eopios '-lere mulled to tho r,lt-nnb(~rs
o.f t.he Gomm:i.ssion wtt,h an accompanying lct'ter duted
.\i.ugust 27t;,h,
Before tlnaly'sing t~he merits a.nd dt;~m~rit~s
of t).he t.Vl0 propo~1e(1 locatiions reCQHlLlendod by- i.tr(~ ParkE~r
for (~onstruct,j"ng H. nell highvt8l.y Elntr(,l,nce to t~ho C:i.ty of
S~';' r.rho~!la~ it; i.$ .r;tr~rt net7~~fjS~~,r:1 to ueigh ecrt~:tn fact,or~
'1iJ^Xl.l.ch ~'{:i,,11 govern. t~hG resl.llts conternpl.ated IJ.
In. a pro..joct. of t,l'lis IDD,[jllitudeJt to provlde
a proper" ents'Ll.l1.Ce' to and from a gro1;rll1.~ City und passing
through lj, ri,~h farm comrA~uni.ty" of (,,;. necea.si'ty' \J'E! filUSt,
first, to.k<;1 i.nt;o ar:;count, clOd. gi VE-i proper 1'lt::iGht~ t~() vu:r.ioU$J
f'f.l,ct.ors ')
\Jhile :it. i;3 di.fficult to ilSSeS~J t.,hc eX.\;).ct,
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(~a.r(~fully cOn.SJ,{l(!,rE:id <<'
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10 :Je must provide u rt.lud of sufficiont w-ddl'th to
ade<luately hundle. not only the present trllt.f1c, but the increa.sed
tr,'.t.ri:ic predicted tor say the next tllGnt.y-.f'i. ve let.JJ.~s" cJ.'hcl'low or
traff1c. &luot ~.l.S f(;,).r as possible, be unhind.Jtorod. uhicb 1nvol yes
due conoi4eru1;ion' to 'the rilux1mum degree of curvature, l1iaxtilUlrl g~ades
and their lG~l18 f v1s1bali ty. Go.f'ety. s peod. aad gonor~Ll usefulness
to 'the t.r3.vellltlJ, public 0' .
2. .Je ,m.ust consider the ability or the Ci:t)r Streets
to a.bsorb the traffic at the POil1t.Sot entr.:.nce and 'bhEt disporsal
of trt:\ltio a~ the point., p,t exit.
3" ,Je XllUS't consider the relative inconveniEJnCO to
'the adjacent propol.ty o\mera in the C:l:ty and County in not only
the uc'tf1o.l coats of expropriations but. 'tIle devaluution of residental
properties abu'tt1~ on a main high\la.y and the -loss in' I-avenues. 0 to
tbe I.iuniciptili ty o.ccordin::;ly f as t'lell as 'to the prop~rt;y o\.;n~rs.
4.. Considero:t1on raust be ~ivento the l08sE~s and
inconvenience caused by the lenGth of time 'tho ro~~d \1iJ..l be under
construction and closed to the public.
;0 There :.lUSt be consideration ~iven of thc~ cost of
such a project includinc; not only the actual ooot but 1;he final
ooot considerins all factors~
, , In 1J.t).'Y projec't such as 'this involving an expenditure
of over ~ 600,000.00 n cost faotor should not be permit~ted to interfere
with the officiency ~nd Gafety of the road.
. In making this report I will accordi~ly make references
front time to time to consideration of these various fu(rtors roferring
to the proposed routes designuted in Mr. Parker's repol"t as
Sct,leme if 2 ( newiT Street)
Scheme ii 5 ( St. George, J~a8t and Elysian St.ree'tsJ~.
Arter considerable study ot tho above rE~po~ts, etcR
. I have boen unable to substantiate the claim that SCheIltle .;j 2 (Hew Street
~ou'te) costs excoed those of Scheme tjj 5 (st. GaoJ:'Ss Stl:-aet Route) by
~ l77,387.as given in LJro Lillor's brier and, by J la8i\)~~OOoOO as released
to the i'1mes-Journalo I h.ave consulted 1I11th Lx. :Jallifs and l~iTo Di.sher
of the Parker firm und they could not enlighten me.
It lJloulcl. a;)peur "that l~o Liller is compt.lrilfG the coot
of constructing a tour lane hight-Is-yon St. 'George street (Schome j S)
from Zlysian Streot Northerly about 2800 feet, 1ncludi~~ the conotruc-
tion of u nOltl brid~e over Kettle Groek and a. sUbt"lUY under the Canadian
Hational Hail\fay tracks ~ t'.r:>.. th the coot of conDtruc't1ng n four lane
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H:1.gh:L'J'UY :tn a l1e'"~' location {Scheme J 2} from the interscct,j,on
of' the c:or:ne:r of Hei'l Jtroet and CU:r1tis ;Street IJorth 1:/esterly
a.bout 4t~OO feet ~ this aJ.so inclu.ding the cost of a 110\'1 bridge
and s u.b't'lay {:\
.Jould :i.t not be fa:1..rer to compare the(~osti of
the ticheme t/ 5 from Cl.lrti.o Jtreeti to the point on "'cho ~jellingt,on
Road \'lh:lch vl:i.ll be ini;.el~sected by S~heme if 2Q
ilr ~ Disher has supplied me with the follo't'Vinc~ estiraatefJ: .~>
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St:.o
George Jtree't
George ~H;;r0e.t
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Cost
Sou"th of .81ysia.n Jtreet
.~lysian street to
100 feet South of bridge 301ti300~~OO
}l;lysian Stroet and .~ast Street ....._~2Q~J:L'"
~) 126~660~OO
lIe also stated that un errOl~ \1aS made :Ln
'the breakdo1'JU of the costs in the Parker .::'i.eport 011 Page 13 q~
"I? J.}5 ~ 960qQO ,was included in the i terti !VHoads in Count:r if :i.nst,ead
of' :i..n the item ~fHoad5 in Cltyn ~ He stated that the brea.kdo\'ffi
r~hould :read ~
ra t. ,c-~) i .. C" t
vOB o.~, 1\.0&( S 1,:0. .1. Y
C()st of Roads in County
v 126.660.00
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102.00.00.
I believe that a fair comparison using
;Virt~ Parker ~ s esttJ..n:U"1.t~E~S as abusisshould be
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(NevI ~)tl"'eet)
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Leas I,ynhtu~st. Gonnect;;.ion plu;;; 155; 52IfiJ+90~OO
'-" 661.",~, 800,.00
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J.t.O ,5,30' 00
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Less vJ'C>I~k on Ea~rt ~Jt.rcet and
Gu..\.,.ti;.'l ~J'treet,
55 ~.Y60~)OO
.h.dd (~ostt Nf~ilt IIigh:i:Ja.y
i~rom ~3nd if 5
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A difference of
c1bo not;
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,400000 or
300~OO
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t~he North ('Hlda of the t~\;JO schemes \'ras SUl)plied by r.II" \!t Disher of
G. C~ Parker and ~asociutes.
I cannot understand r.ir ~ i'liller~ s comparison of the grades
on the Uorth hill~ On page 5 he compares a grade oil. 6i; lilith a leng.th
of 1100 feet on Scheme ,/: 5 \'J'ith a gradf~ of 5i~ on Boheme if 2(\) The
nlD.xirm.ml grade on 'che iioll1th. h5.11 of 6cheme // 2 is only 2-1/2/:~ or
a rise of only 2~,,1/2, feet :tn 100 fee.t4) ,As Gtatt:d by I;1r. I,~iller
a 2~1/2~ erade will have little effect on the normal speed of
20 ton .truck:;) an.d no effect OIl the speed of carsq The South hill
of Scheme ;~b 2 is designed vlit~h a maxim.1.un Grade of 5;5 for u ~(~ne;th
of only 500 fee.t~ vlhi.le on tlcheme i/ 5 the maximum grade is 6i~ for
a leneth of 1100 reet~
As all South bound 1.rehicles vlill have .CO reduce speed
on the South h.ill t,C) 30 milos per hour1l/hen the top of the hill is
reached:; eo short. .5~~~ grade l;Ji1..1 not i.ntel"'fere vli'th the even flol,~T
of trc"ffi. c <D.
!~O ment:i.on is made on Page 12 of the Pa.rker Heport
nor in Llr ~ 1.J.ller t s brief of the maxim.l.rnl degrees of curvature of
'the t,\'.ro proposed l~'f;r~touts 9
acheme if 2 has beG~Xldes:tg!:'led ,\;li th cu.rves of a mux:imurJ,
l~adius of 1433 feet (!.~ degree) II> Compare t:,his }.J'i t.h th.e max~imum radius
of 955 feet ( 6 degree) provided in Scheme 1 5.
S0111e of the advantages of a I.} degree curve in; coopurison
\'Ii th a 6 d.egr€~e curve are...,
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2q Tho supE;rel(?:v'a.tion (or bankinG) required on the cur"vas
is decreased [;bout i}-O,;</) ~ehis is very' 1..mport,ant, on roads sub~ject
to :i.ci.ng I1fl
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~rhEJ easier CU.I',\re wakes for safer dri'V'i.ngo
Scheme /l 2 provides for a. t-liderl bridge
over Kettle Cx.eek" lrloor width of 5/+ fe~3t as compar€::)d v.J:i.th 48 feet~
on Scheme if 5 ft. The \ddth of the subi;lay, under the C~',;,-,lud.ian N~ltionaJ..
Hail1:;ay enl Sehem€:; J 2 is 110 feet. us compared to 75 fi .~ 6n on ~cheme i/ 5 (;
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The floo!'" c,f tho brj,.dge; oyer l{/3ttle C:r.~ek on S,ehelue ) 5
't'/il.1 be built ()ll a slope ot 6J4~P The top of the ~~ails at tihe Sou1;,h
end of the bri.dge ~J'l:tll be abO'Llt 11 ~ fj) 9ft .!:li~he:tft th~l:n. a:t the j..;orthond Q
13u:i.ldlng U b:t'idge on a 6/'~ grade :t6 !.10t~ i~()<:)d Elng:Lt\e~~ring
p~ra(~tice and will 'be a tr(;u~,1.1c hazard dm"':lne; icy vloa1;hell.
, 'lYhe flt)or of t~J:J.e bridi~t? (lesigned for ~)ch(~me i;: i:2 ,.rill
be on a l/~~ grade ~
Provi.si(,)n has b€)enme.ds in the I>flrltor Report 11 PaBe 10,
for the (:onst,ruotion of a 36 ;f'oc;t paVeElelltti one lifflY Sout,h directi()n
Otl Si.~ t) George ;:Jtreet from :Glys:l.a~n ~~ltraet to Talbot'"> ~~t.('~~)t.4
St4 Geor-ga Street 1..s 50 :feet \'Ii,de:o 'l'h$ 1"i:1.dth. 1."'equ11'loed,
i01PtD., 36 t.oo't:, puvemertt, t::urba, 2""'4- l'<,'ot side,,1al1"'~8 (;tnd ~" ~1..1/2 .fooi;
boulevards for 11ghting end telephone poles is 43 f~~ot~ ~his ~ill
nE~eer:;t.;1ttate the remo\ft:tl (>>f' 21+ large shade tIllaee ,';t!!.dt.he r~~~moval of
hf)dgos and manyorn.am.9ntal trees <J>
If a 4- lana hight-lay :ts laid on St $ Geol"tgti-) 8tr.e(;lt fr~om
Ely~;ian Street i:Jortherly it "li1.1 requi:r;EJ the remcr\raJ..o.r 23 large
tr~)et) in the. City, 38 in the Count~r e:.u1.d abot~.t 31.. :tn 00\:1&11 Park ~
a t()tal ()t~ 1:t9 trees.,
It. tlill also necess1t-ai~e laying the lii~llks~ a 1'01.1 teet
1"'1:'0111 the \reranda.s f4
Provision is also made in 'the report for the construction
01" a, 36j;"'oot. pavement one-uny tOl" Nortih bound tjratf:t(~ on .(:;ast Jtree.t
;rrom 'l'alboti tJ tree t, to Elysian Street, Easi~ St,1"'oet is also 50 feet \11de
and the walks will have to be laid at least 1 foot f~om the Street linesQ
I),~h:ts \'1111 :t~e(iu1re the removal of 25 lD.rgetl~ees o.nd. '{~he l1<{;;IDOVo.l of
hede;es ~ et(:"
llany of the residenoes on this lltreet are built nec.-:n:'ly
to the street lineso In order to provid.e turn..tng spaoe for tractor....
trailer trucks, the raoidance at the South wast cornor of ~ast d~reet
and ~l~siunStreet rauy havo to be laoved~
Provision is also lntide for oonstiJ;Uct:i.nQ a 36 .foot flD.vement
otl.e \.my '.jost dil-'oetion on }~lysian street from 1.;;<:;.[r1;. dtJ:-eot t:iO $1:'1:1' (100r8e St~
~i;lys:i.an Stre(~t :to ~O~ ltt3-1/2u. l:1ide.... .Jidi~h betiilO('J:f1 v(~rul1dus !lbout 1.4 feet fJ '
P()'U:r't,~'H!.~rit tr(~es \lil1 have "to be remo:~led and as U ,,'l::idth of Lt8 feet 't'J'ill be
,~~ .;,.!' 't" ~ ';. ';1' .t.f "11 "Ie..~ .~ ." . ,.. ,:;"... "."Y .f-.. .... ..:t. '" ,',. y of' of 1 "Itlioollt".t A ~ ~,o
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i "ueen St.!'laet, is ,sho\;n. 011 Plan. if 7 as u c~ne 'Vit.XY ;;,;'creot,
.for South bound. traff:lc from 1.t\".:.lboti d'lil'ecrt to .Jellin;;:t;,on t)1;,:rect (~
. (rhe '~'rj..dth of ,,).loen 0i:-,reet is 39410 tcot'lt If the pI'csent 20~ ~6H
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p(.~ ver;tent s t'J'J.dCI'l6' :1. t. vH.. IM~e4ZtaOl:tu te t le rQ!~lO"a OJ,~ .. treE~S (.II
If Scheme 1/ 5 is, constructed it' t.j'ill re<luix"G
the removal of al;iout 15a lar5e shuda trees (notoount1lng t.hose
on tJ..l(1en Stl."'eet') .at an expendi,ture or abo~t \i~ 28~OOO~()O of'ptlbl:tc
money 1lJl '1'Ihl~3 hus not:.. hEH~tl pr')';j'~..ded :f.'OJ:' ill the Purker' l~eport\tl
srh.e d€,pl""ec:i.ation in 'rtJ.llH~ of .tGhe ar.n;tt;ting propcrtie~1 t~Jill be
~~tu'pendou,s and t.ile C:ll;;/, a.~~ a lrhole wi.ll suffer 'the lo~~s i.n
taxes due to the decl"(~Used. v'ulue o:f ijhe affected pro~~l".tios ~
lfhere G.);~e ~d)out- 90 t'esidenc$$ f':ron.t:Lug C)U
St ~ George Jtree'ttJI ~astjt ~tree't and El~'sian ,Stx"eet 1:1hi4::h \,J'j.l1,
be ai~tected by the construct1()n of Scheme il5 t()t~trt~hG~r 't"tit~h
the Collegiute .rnatitil.'J.:;.et~ t~he F'irs.t United Church u.nd
'tho NUrS€lS itesidEtn.r,:e.~ In thoCou.nty 11 or 12 x~f;s:iLdenlce6
~lill be a.ff'ecte(L" .
1.Iro Pal~l~er st~lt.ed ut the meeting held. o:n j~'ug'Unt 9th~
and r.ir'~, r'.4i.ll.e.r m;ru'1:t;ton~~ :tn 111.5 briEj;f that i.lr ~ .t1'ulton ar:td i~:r ~ SidaJJ.
of '~hc Pla.nn:is,~.g I)tvi~Jion of the i-righH11ya Dop(il"'trtlf~ll't hud eJcp:tlO(;)ssed
'themaelyes :Ln :fa',our C\l.t (~ithc':' Schemeq I;1r 1<' Dishollll of tthe Pat"Iter
FirmJ) ','tho \\ras \'li"~l1 I.ir".. Park~1r '~';heD. they conf'eI'red vJ'i'th th~~ Itl..gh\1ay
Of:f:lciaJ.e~ stated to me tha:~~ i~he plt.lf.ts and eGt:i..m~cbes havt;} no'h boen
aubnlittied to the Plan;rr:tn(~ Department for $.xamil1:J:t:ton. and St,Udy,Cf
Before {J,p:prova:l, of' eitt.!l.er scheme eoul.dbE~ g:t VtUl
I would a6tlrnne than '1 t, \':Tould be necessary for tht~ OfflciaJ..s
.to have fttll ()pp~):rtat(li.t':,y i~o (:;:t'aJ.~line the pluns andestinltl.tes
01: both r<:nrtes<<
On a,CCCfunt of' x"av:tnes around thr\~e sid.ea of
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'the matter 'friO irlstructed him .t.o inv(~st~igatG the possi.b:tlit;l
of routine the prop(J~)ed l':lyout NC)l:,t.h f)~Q1n t.he corner' of
.N{in'I 3treet and C'Urt::ts St:r"oet.~ !de \:j{~re (.li.Jare th~rt the~ \ddt,h
of i'Jelr; Stre(iti is only h.O ffJet ~lj.de bu.t new Street if; the only
St:reat on -c,lle .uo:rth side of" 'f&l'bot J.treet '\rihich is dj.r(31ct~ly
opposite D. 3tree~t. on. 'the ~3ou.t~herl.y ~3i4e\\l It 1s opposite
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Curt:ls T-)'tiraet to 'llnlbot;:. ~t~~EH~t but doe~~ I:lcrt. in(;lulle .i:;he CQ:'3t in
his est,j..matesll/ Ne'tl 8t~reet about 2:,40 feet, lon;:;l}
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of Talbot;, ~.>t,r'e(~t und. lIei,'l ~J t:K~eot~ ~ .fi.Vf~ residencos on It;he GJ.d(~
and ()ne !~(H3idGnce on t~he l!ortih ilide ClJrt~is dtIteet;'i,f;.j.(~j..Xlg
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't-;he Nor't;h r;d.d~~ 'kfQuld hayo 'to be 1I1o\r-ed <.lnd the old ba:r"u Ol1
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Ir\il'O hOI'6~SH~lchest~nu:t tl""'ces on t;,he rd.de of Her;lJ ~)tl~eet
1r/ill ha:t1G be r(~rl1oved ~ These \'.1'111 b(~ the only shude
tJ.ffected on th(;~ \thol(~ route of ~3chotle ) 20
'rbe propex"'tI'Y required fraIa He'\\T ~itreet) to the top
o;t' tihe North h:tll is filQst.ly \1Tast(;.) land of 1i ttle'\)'alu,e.~
It might.i 1)(:1 Hiss to (,;c.jn~J:i.der th~~ adv:tsabl.l.i;ty
construct:ting a t'ru,~ lane roa,dvlay on Ht3't'1 ~Jt11o"e€rt f:c'omGurti.s ;j'treet
to 11albot Stt"eet; i~lstf3ad (Jf a )6 foot )~oad as prov:td\~d :1.n t~J:le
Par!t()!" Heport ,0
Irhf:) whole of Schame 7f 2coul<;t be conL}tr\lcted
including t,he l'l<JH' bridge &.lld 'sul)v!uy vt:tthout dis:l"puti,ng t':rarfj.(~;$'
If acheme Ii ,is folloued tho road \'fill have to IJO closed for
many ll'l()nt~hs (~
I do not believe. tfho.t~ th.e {JOBt~ of co:nstructti1:lg
a rH.r~'1 :r.'oud on Rotl.:'ca iJ': 5 is 'IIulr14;lnted~. It.:, :1.6 UI)t de~iJ:ned. to
modern h:i.g11,!lJ't:tY standards p :1. t h~o ex~~aStsj;V'e long grad(1S, sho:~t
vi~libilit;y $ ahu;rp curves and wfll l:1.:m1t the speed of traffto",
It tJtll rOtAte :i.nO()mi.nL; and ou.t.eoi.tlis ttN.lffic ov~:;r narlrowCitf:Y'
~:3'troet;s causing t;reat, cQnf'usion to ~:nrdr:(ve:r.s and.w:;1.told
dUll1ttJ;es to tho' proport.y ouners on 0t 11> i..h;;~orge ;j.tr'cot.1); ~Ctsi~ ;.)tl'eet
and ~l~Y'slan dt!1tee't j.l1 the Ci.ty u:nd on iJt ~~ QeQl~ge ;.)t:t'~H:rt;. 1.,n
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I do not believe that it is capable of
serving the purposes intended and in a few years
the public will demand the construction of another
entrancG$
Comparing the unit prices given in the
Parker Report ~dth those of contracts let this year
I believo that both Sohemes can be constructed at
much lower costs than 6iven in tile Parker Heport~
All of wh:i.ch is respectfully submitted.
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COUNTY ENGINBBR~
St.~ ~Jhomas'f Onta~rio,~
September 29th~ 19560
S~~\. THOM1\lS, ontario It
10th. 1956.
TIIE ST. THOM.AS SUBURB.!\N RO.tillS COMl'vUSSION
Ille't at 'the cour'l; TIouse at 10 a.I!l;
PK8SJTINT:
GEORGE CROSS
C1L\I R1lJifJ;l
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JOBN COOK _ .ASSISTANT j'}[UNICIP AI., 1~NGIffEER
FRED. A. BELL - COUN'rY }1;NGIW~}~R
T.B:E BRIEF SUB:MITTED by . C. MILLiTIR, city Engineer,
regarding the iJ1Jive st iga t ion of C. C. p.ARK]:R AND ASSOCIATES
of the prop 0 seiJ. Nort11 :Sntrance to the City of st. ThO:nJ.8.S
waS considered and M.r. Bell waS instructed to prellare
a re])ly outlining his views on the proposalS.
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ST. THOM~S, Ontario.
August 13th. 1956.
THE s~r. THOrlAS SUBURBi!J\T ROlillS CONITJlISSION'
met at the Court House at 3.15 p.m.
PR1~SE1\rT - GEORGJ1: CROSS, Chairman
VI. R. COULTER
E. R01J1!E
JOlIN COOK, Assistant IvlullicipalI~ngineer
]}].]'.s. S.44}IDERS, County Solicitor
F. A. BJl;LI1, County I~ngineer.
TEfJ:] MEETING 1JilaS held to consider what action
should betaken in regard to the artiole published in t.b.e st.. IIlhomas
Times-Journal on }prid~y, August loth. and an editorial published on
August 11th. IvJ.r. V\f. C. 1\r1illert City Engineer, had released to the
pap(~r his opinion on the advantages of selecting Schem.e ~~ 5 as
outlined in the HelJOrt of a. C. Parker and Associates, Consulting
IGngi.ne era.
TIrE COI\fmjlISSI01n~1~S viera of the opinion
that the costs releasea. by IvIr. Miller cannot be substantiaJeed and
that the pUblio should be advised that a true :picture of the
North Entrance Problem cannot be drawn from the :published. reports.
CIL~IR.1VL41q CHOSS oonsented to prepare
a statement to be released to the Times Journal.
Tiffi. I\IlILI1ER submi tted a statement of
the c os t of preparing the aerial cont;our plan.s used. b~y IVlr.. J?arker
in his repar'I; of the North Entrance, amount to ~!fj 754.96. 1,/1:1'. Bell
was instructed to have the accol.mt paid.
THE MEETING adjoul~ed at the call
of the Chairman.
fiivL9 II ~Jr~
14th. August, 1956.
STATIDfl"..ENT BY G];~OHGl~ CROSS, CIDURM1JN', ST. 'mONiAS SUBm\N H.OiillS CO]vIMISSION
AT A ]JIEETING of the St. Thomas Suburban Roads Commission,
JJilonday afternoon, attention vva.s drawn to the reports in the Times-Journal
of ]'riday and Saturday last with respec"tto the propo sed entrance to
the city to connect with WelltngtonRoado
mill COlVfoIDJIISSION states there is no deadloclc on the proposed
routes but rather that considerable :progress is being made. There is
still much preliminary work to be. done before any proposal can be
recanmended by the Commission.
THill COST of any project e:xceeding ~~ 500,000 is deserving
of considerable oonsideration, and this is partioularly true in this
instance 0 Not only must the actual cost of the construction of the
route be considerea., but also the effect of expropriation, and on
the valuation of present residentia.l properties, if it is necessary
to connect il1Tith existing streets in the City of st. Thomas.
~n~ COI~\rrSSION regrets 'the inforn~tion published in
the press as portraying only part of the problems and in particular
'the traffic oonditions which must be considered in its connection
with presen.t arteries of traffic.
WITH T:H:E: aOIvIPLETIOI>I of HighiJyay 401, this route must be
oapable of acc;ommoda ting the greatly increased traffic, and provide
a quick economical modern and safe method of approach to and from
the City.
TIrill COST to the travelling public will be much greater
'than the initial cost of the road, and to minimize this, there m.ust
be taken into account such factors as the nu.m.ber of lanes available,
the grades of the hills, the visibility and the time ana. cost involved
in travelling over the roacl.
THE COlvl1VlISSION cannot substantiate the oosts released
to the Press b,y IVIr.Wo C. lvliller, the City Engineer, as they do not
fully 'take into acc:ount all factors, and are in relation only to
pa.rts of two alternative routes which are proposed, but which are
not comparable in the service provided to the publico Until further
st~ua.y, such infom.ation is not available, and any release by the
co:mmnission would be premature at the present time~
TH'ill1:1E IS TIDTI :rt(JRTHER problem as to proportionate cos't
to the various bodies concerned -- The Province, the County and
the City -_ dependant on the route seleoted, both as to the initial
cost and maintenance.
'lm CONINIISSION GIVES its assurance that it is most
anxious to have this matte:r completed' as soon as possible, and
to provide the best route tor the travelling public, at as
eeonomical a figure as is reasonably possible.
aONSIDEHA.TIOl\f is being given to constructing roads
on 1956 standards, v~ith a vievvto safety, and a vision to the
increasing flow of traffic, and it is not desired to make
a tenlporary job 0:1' an opportunity to make a tine modern
entrance to the City.
Pl{OPOSEDROU1'ES -- The above sketch, pro-
vided for The Times-Journal by City Epgineer
Warren C. Miller, shows the two routes presently
under consideration for the new north entrance
tQ, St. ~'homas to link the city withHi~hwaY40L
Scheme 5, the, one. on the right of the map, 'has
been advocated by the city since the matter was
opened in 1952 and has been supported by a con-
sultant engineer called in to submit pr6'posals
The second route, Scheme 2, also proposed by
the engineer; is art alternative., While Sche:p1e 5
follows the present route of St. George stre,p-t
with a number' of improvements, Scheme 2
strikes acroSs, open, country :from the north end
of"'New.sftef:1C1o"lfnk upwfththe:'" 'Wellii).gton
road' nearly a mile away; The St. George street
scheme is $189,300 cheaper than the New street
extension.
10 receIve H. .tie alSO pUlnLeu
out ,the important business as-
'pect of the additional traffic
:reaching the city.
Although the London office
of ,C. C. Parkef- (\ndAssoeiates'
prepared five alternative schemes
for the improvement of the
north entrance to the city at
the request of Mr. Bell, the
field, of. choice ha$ now been
narrowed down to two.. . . . '.
One . of. ,the .sche~es . is exact...
ly . the sa~e' as '. oI).e p,I'eparedby
Mr. ", Miller in 1952 and . for
which the city has' been pressing
t:qroughout the negotiation years.
Costs ,$188,300 Le~s'
This. scheme,' known' ()fficial-
ly . as Schema ,No.. 5, costs'
, $188,300 less thaIl the alterna-
tive 's~hem~~' 'known . as. N o~2.
'Scheme No.5. 'follows the exist-'
ing route of! St. George ~treet
except for a gentle curve'through
Cowan Park at the north end
to eliminate the ,two' dangerous'
bends just north of th'e Cana-
dian 'National RailwaycIlossing.
Construction of, , approximately'
750 feet of 'new. road will be:
neces~ary' , through Cowan Park.
It will cilrry four lanes, of
traffic. '...'
Scheme No.2 ...:- a.nd the an~
wJ1ic;h " it .is understood tbe
, County favors ~. starts' at. th~
north end, of New street :and
requires . n~arly a', mile of, new
road' C'onstruction to link up
with the Wellington road., Some
heavy fill' operations in' the"
deep' Kettle Creek valley" two'
stream 'diversions as well as a
new road to, link First street
and.' St., George street,' with the,
New street extension, are, but
somei of the factors involved' in,
this plan. , ,
Scheme I No.' 2 places . the
C.N .R. bridge over the road at
a. point' abaut '700 feet west of
the present railway crossing;
while the str~et itself lin,ksup
with the Wellington road . at
roughly the same 'distance west
of the pointwhere Scheme No.
5 leaves' Cowan, Park. , .
Use " Exist~ng , Route
'I'he ~itY'sscheme. follows the
route of .St. George stre,et' with
the down ,grade . extenClingas
far as First street before ris-
'ing, to go, OVer the . creek and
under the railr.oad. The. route
will, however, be straightened
lout . to. i give ;,per'fect visibility.
I The, bridge pver the creek will,
I if the city's plan isadopt~d, be
'set 10 feet higher than at
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the creek.
The engineer indicated that.
there are no additional mainten-
ance problems if the St. George
str..e.etv.J'mdio,is -I'ldopted;
He des/~ribed the future limit..
\1l tions of Scheme 2 as being
"none'. and for the 8t. George
street route as "existing built-
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14th. August, 1956.
STAT.cl;J:v1ENT BY GJ;iiOHG1~ CROSS, amURMA1\f, ST. 'ffiOlvLm SUBURl3.l11'J HO.ADS COl\.IJJVIISSION
AT A ]JIEETING of the St. Thomas Suburban Roads Commission,
JVlonday afternoon, attention ilVaS drawn to the reports in the Times-Journal
of ]'riday and Saturday last with respec-t to the propo sed en trance to
the Ci'ty to connect withWelltngtonRoad.
~ CO]JTIIJIISSION states there is no deadlock on the proposed
routes but rather that considerable progress is being made. There is
still much prelira.inary work to be done before any proposal can be
recommended by the Commission.
THE COST of any project exceeding ~~ 500,000 is deserving
of considerable oonsideration, and this is partioularly true in this
instanceb l\Jot only must the actual cost of the oonstruction of the
route be oonsidered, but also the effect of e:A."1Jropriation, and on
the valuation of present residential properties, if i't is necessary
to oonnect Vvith existing streets in the City of st. Thomas.
~-m cOI~\rrSSION regrets ,the infonnation published in
the press as portraying only part of the problems and in particular
,the traffio oonditions whioh must be considered i.n its conneotion
with present arteries of traffic.
1JVITH TIrE cOlvIPLETIOI\f of Highway 401, this route must be
capable of aoc;o:rmnodating the greatly increased traffic, and provide
a quick economical modern and safe method of ap1)roaoh to and from
the City.
~ COST to the travelling public will be much greater
,than the initial cost of the road, and to minimizetb.is,there must
be taken into acoount such factors as the num.ber of lanes available,
the grades of the hills, the visibility and the time an(l cost involved
in travelling over the road.
THII: cOlvIDJlISSION cannot substantiate the costs released
to the Press b:y IVIr.Wo C. IvIiller, the City :Engineer, as they do not
fully 'take into acc:ount all faotors, and are in relat~ion only to
:parts of two alternative routes vifhich are proposed, "but "t"hich are
not comparable in the service provided to the publio# Until further
st~udy) suoh infor.mation is not available, and any release by the
Corronission would be premature at the present timeo
THH1BE IS THE]'URTHER problem as to proportionate cost
to the various bodies concerned -- The Province, the County and
the City __ dependant onLthe route seleoted, both as to the initial
cost and maintenance.
TEE CONThlIISSIOl\f GIVES i,ts assurance that it is most
anxious to have this rnatte:r cOID.'"pleted' as soon as possible, and
to provide the best route for the travelling publio, at as
economical a figure as is reasonably possible.
CONSIDERA..TION is being given to oonst:ructing roads
on 1956 standards. with a view to safety, and a vision to the
increasing flow of traffio, and it is not desired to make
a tenlporary job of an opportunity to malee a fine modern
entranoe to the City.
ST. TH01VIft~S, Ontario.
August 9th. 1956.
A JOINT }J.miET1NG OF TI-:IE
ST. TI-IONU~S SUBURBAN ROl-illS CO~l[l\irrSSION,
HI~PRgS:ImTATDr:II;S OF THE
. THOTvIi\S 01 TY COUNCIL and
A SPIGOIJiL COrJIlViITTEJ~ FI10M 'mE ELGIN COUNlJ."'Y ROPJ)S COM]/[[~CTJ[:~E:,
met at the Court House to consider
a HeJ?ort on the proposed NevV' North Entrance ana. Cana<lian l\fational
Haj~lvvays Grade Se]?ration from C. C" Parker and l~ssoc:tates,
consulting ~n;l1gineers.
PRmSllliT -
SU13UHB.AI-q ROADS CON]\ITSSION
- WI. R.. C 0 lJL~~JsR
GEOHGIii CROSS
'"fJ1
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ROv~E
CIrrY COUNOIL
C.. ~MOORi~
w. c.. :MILLER
COlli\f'Iry CO"01\fCIL
- J. C. HI}\lDLEY
J. B. WILSON
CL..tL-qIGNCJl; CtJ""LVI~R
WARDEN HOVI.i\RD P AUI.CEiH
F. A. BELL
C . C.. P ARY0TIH J1ND ASSOCIATES
- C. C.. ]?AIZKI~R
J .. DISlIER
DEP.ART]vG.I;I\l~l OF HI GI-HVAYS
J('~'Y'f'T COOTT ^ ..!- t ,,- .. 1 ".1. '
- t .JXJ.l\l J J.'l.., l1.SSJ..S Gan' l'J1UXllCJ.:pa .t:.sl1gJ.neer.
MR. COUIJTER acted as ChairrQan of the meeting.
}:vIR. }J-"L1PJCE:R submitted a Heport, ~~sti:rnates,
J?lans, etc. in vifhich he investigated five alternatiiT6 routes as follows:-
SOTTG'l1\pm., .!i1.Jl J1 .Il 1
l" .n .J..l~W..l.:J 71'
_ A 2 Lane Highway cOlll1ectingthe North end of
I;lEW STRITII!iTto County Road 25 S.A. or what is generally known
as v\lellingtoll Hoad..
SCJIlill\m if 2
_ A 4 Lane Hig11'\t\Tay over the same route as Scheme If 1.
-2-
August 9th. 1956.
SCHr!J\JIE 7~1 3
A 2 Lane Highway following the present course of
ST. GIGOHGJ~ STRBET from. Talbot street North
SCI{E~NIU: # 4
A 4 Lane Highvvay fOllovving the course of Scheme /1 3.
som:mvrn:: It!: 5
.A 4 Lane Highway on the present course of
ST. QEf:ORGE STRlI:ET from Elysian street; North and
A 3 Lane street on
ST. GEGRG:tt: srrR.J1m::T from rralbot stree't 'to Elysian stree't.
I-DfTER MR. PARICBJR eX1Jlainea. his Report
the details were disoussed at length and lVir. Miller read a preJjared
statement in which he strongly objected to considering any' route,
exoept fJcheme If 5.
ME. NIILIJER agreed to submit a CO})y of his
state~ment for consideration of the Suburban Roads Connnittee.
IVIR. PARKITIR submi'tted an invoice for
his services an1olun:liingto ~~ 5,523.00.
lTIll~ JPOLLOV'lING I{H::SOl;(YfIOI\l V\Tt:lS adopt;ecl:-
IT I,VAS li/IOVIGD BY
. E. ROVIlE
SEOONDI!~D BY
G}~OHGE CROSS
TH1\.T TN LTIf.!:TI vvi th t-;hegiscussion regarding
the bill of C. C. Pl(RI{J:GR -,~\\I) 11SSOCIATJ}jS for Re]?ort on NeVIl street; -
st. George street IIa.-provern.ents that Iv'fr. Bell discuss the 8Jnount
1J1li th IVtr. Parker and try to arrive at an amo un tj to be paid and
division of swns.
o .ARJ:tIIGD .
~ill~ 1r~~~TING adjourned at the call
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of the Chairman.
ST. ~1m~, Ontario.
JULY 18th. 19~H).
A JOINT lIJIEETING of the St. Thomas Suburban H.oa,ds
Commission ana a Special Committee of the Elgin County Roads Committee
:met a t the Court Ho use at 2 p.m..
The FOLLOiJVING vVl1:RE PHES1~TT:-
G"EORGE CROSS
W. R. COULTER
iftl. E. ROliVE
Jom B. WILSON
CLA....Ti.ENaE CULVER
F. A. BELL.
Tl:.rE MEMBERS aONSIDERED A REPORT SUB.!VO: TrED
by e.c. PARKER AND ASSOCIATES, LItITTED, Consulting Engineers,
regarding their inves,tigation of the ThTorth Entrance to the
City of St. Thomas.
AFT~illR A LONG DIsaUSSION ].IJr. Bell was instructed
to arrange a In.eating with the St. Thomas City Cotlllci1 and
the Engineers, on Augus't 8th. 1956.
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ST. TH01v1AS, ON'i'ARIO.
May loth. 1956.
A (fOINT MEETING OF THE
ST. THOMllS SUBURBAN ROliDS COMlfiSSION AND
REPRES:BINTATDTESOF THE ST. TI-:IO~AAS CITY CODNCIL was
held in the Court House at 2 p.m. to open the tenders
submitted for oonstructing the FINGAL BRIDGE.
T'.EIE FOLLOWING ATTENDED the meeting:-
CHAIR-rrJ1AN - GEORGE CROSS
w. R. OOULTER
w. E. ROWE
M. C. lJIOORE
CHARLES HAMIVIERSLY
Vi. C. MILLER
F. A. BELL
v. R. ASTROP.
ATTACHED is a Schedule of the five tenders
submitted.
THE FOLLOvV!NG RESOLUTION was adopted:-
IT WAS MOVj11D BY
M. C. MOORE
W. R. COULTER
THAT TEE TENDER ot the ELGIN CONSTRUCTION CO. LTD.,
st. Thomas tor the construction of the FINGAL BRIDGE
SECONDED BY
at the Estimated ...tUn.ount of
as submitted by the attached u.nit prices be aocepted,
subject to the apJ?roval of the st. Thomas City Council and
4~ 56,722.20
The ontario Department of Highways.
CAR.RI1ID.
AFTER TEE MEETING the Commissioners and
Fred. A. Bell inspected all the Suburban Roads.
l~1 'I 0-
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CRAIR1'J.tAN" " A ..._..,~,-~
TENDER FOR BRIDGE OVER KETTLE CREEK
CITY OF ST. THOMAS
AND THE ST. THOMAS SUBURBli.N ROADS COMMISSION
ITEMIZED TENDER
The bidder will prepare his tender legibly.
Unit prices must 'be' given in figures and ['.1$0 .
written' in words.
Tender must be extended and totalled.
Bidders will not bid prices for items not listed
and prices so submitted will not be recognized
in the tender.
NO.
ITEM
QUANTITY ESTlMAT1D
UNIT QUANTITY
UNIT
PRICE
TOTAL COST
I
Temporary Crossing
1,S.
6,500.00
II
III
IV
v
VI
VII
VIII
IX
x
Removal of Existing Sub-
structur~~ &: Rip Ri"p
4,eoo.oo
"r ~
.!..I.O.
Cofferdams & Unwatering
1.8.
2.700.00
Excavation for Structure
(A) Earth
(B) Rock
Two Dollars
11400 (2.00) 2,800.00
Five Dollars
2_ (5.00) 25.00
156 Thif~o.B8Tlars4,680.00
Thi~Lytwo Dollars
785 \3~.OU J ,25,056.00
Thirty five Dollars
_ 72.L (35.00) ~,53t7 .50
2,761.70
910.00
652.00
53,222.20
C 'v
. L .
C.Y.
Concrete in Footings
C.Y.
Concrete in Structure
C.Y.
Place Reinforcing Steel
Ton
Supply Steel Handrail
L.S.
Erect & Paint Steel Handrail
L.S.
Miscellaneous Mete.lvwrk
L.8.
Subtotal:
EstiIlkJted Contingeneies
See clause 7.10
L.S.
3,500.00
--
50,722.20
Total:
Respectfully Submitted
ELGIN CONS'I'RUCTION CO. LTD.
Signed A. mOLl
Address 1103-1105 Talbot ISt.,st.Thomas, Ont4
Page 20
TENDER FOR BRIDGE OVER KETTLE CREEK
CORPORATION OF THE CITY OF ST. THOMAS AND
ST. TijOMAS SUBURBIJLROAl;>S CQMlvgSSION.
Mr. F. Bell,
lGngiil~er for Suburban Roads Commission,
c/o Courthouse,
St. Thomas, Ontario.
Dear Sir:
We, the undersigned contractors have exaimined plans,
specifications and location of the work described herein, and
are fully informed as to the nature of the work and the conditions
relating to its performance, c;nd understs-nd thc-..t the quantities
shown are approximate only and are subject to either increase or
decrease.
We, the undersigned, propose to furnish all necessary
me.chinery, tools, apparatus and other means of construction, do
all the work, furnish all the materials, except as otherwise spec-
ified and, for the priess named in the itemized tender, to complete
the work herein described in strict accordance ~ith the plans there-
fore, and in strict conformity with the requirements of the specif-
ications for the performance of the work.
V~e, the undersigned, further declare that no member of the
Council of the City of Sto Thomas or the County of Elgin, or of
the St. Thomas Suburban Roads Commission is, or will become interested
directly or indirsctly as a contracting party or otherwise in the
performance of the contract, or in the supplies, work or business to
which it relates, or in any portion of the profits thereof, or of
any such supplies to be used therein or any of the moneys derived
therefrom.
A marked cheque, or guarantee bond, for the sum of $5,500.00
is enclosed hereiNith..
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ST. THOMAS, Ontario.
April 9th. 1956.
A JOINT M&ETING of the St. Thomas Suburban
Road$ Commission and Representatives of the County Counctl and
City Council met at the Court House at 10.30 a.m~
GEORGE GROSS
W. E. ROVlE
JOHN B. WILSON
JAMES C. HiNDLEY
CLARENCE CULVER
C . HAWJIERSLEY
M. C. MOORE
JOHN COOK
WQ C. MILLER
FRED. A. BELL
C. C. PARKER
Vo R. ASTROP
PRE SE N!\ -
_ Chairman Suburban Roads Cormnission
_ Commissioner Suburban Roads Commission
_ Chairman County Road Committee
_ Reeve of TO"V'ffiship of Yarmouth
_ Reeve of Township of Southwold
_ Alderman City of St. Thomas
_ Alderman City of St~ Thomas
_ Assistant Municipal Engineer:, Highways Department
- City Engineer
- County Engineer
Consulting Engineer
_ Consulting Engineer
THE MEETING was called to hear Mro Parkemreport
on his inves~igation regarding the proposed Grade Separation in
the vi'einity of the present level crossing of St. George Street and
the Canadian National Railways.
MR. PARKER submitted plans and estimates of
a. proposed new route connecting New Street, in the Oi t,y of St. Thomas
with Suburban Road # 25 S.A., a distance of about 5,000 lineal feet.
He proposed that a subway be constructed under the Canadian National
Railways about 1,300 feet 'West of the present level crossing and
a new reinforced concrete bridge be constructed a(~ross Kettle Creek
about 700 feet West of the present bridge.
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April 9th. 1956.
HE ESTIMATED that the cost of constructing
the new road providing for a two lane paved highway will cost $ 514-5,000.00,
providing for a four lane highway, the estimated cost will be $ 670,000.00.
AFTER MllClI discussion the fOllc)wing resolution
was adopted:-
IT WAS MOVED BY
SECONDED BY
w. E. ROiNE
M. C. MOORE
THAT THE REPORT of C.C. PARKER AND ASSOCIATES
relative to the construction of a new highway to connec~t Wellington Road
with the City of St. Thomas be received and
THAT MR. PARKER be requested to extend his stUdies
of the project.
THAT he be requested to investigate the feasability
of connecting the Proposed New Highway with North Avenl1e in Lynhurst and
to submit an estimate of the cost of constructing the Subway under
the Canadian National Railways at the present level crossing.
THAT MR. PARKER be requested to submit
a quotation of his fees for preparing his Estimates and Reports.
Carried.
MR. PARKER submitted Plans and Specifica.tions
for the Fingal Bridge and the following resolution was adopted.
IT vvAS MOVED BY
SECONDED BY
Itl. E 0 ROVJE
vV. C. IVITLLER
"
THAT the Plans and Specifications submitted by
C.C. PARKER AND ASSOCIATES, Consulting Engineers, be approved and
THAT the County Engineer be instructed to
advertise for tenders for the construction of the Fingal Bridge.
Carried.
TH]~ COMIVIITTEE adjourned to meet at the call
of the Chairman.
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t. T:HOlilA.8, Ontario.
]'ebruary 1st. 1956.
A JOINT 11/iEETING OJ!'
l~LGIN CODN'l'Y n.o.AD
C OM1~\IT TTIGE
AND 'Im~ ST. T,HO]JIA.8 SUB1:JRBlillT HO.ADS C01V\JV:O:TTEE met at the Court House
at 3 p.Dl.
PRESE1\rrr: -
G1TIORGE CROSS
H. COmJTl~R
CLAR1'11:JCE CDLVI1iR
J. o. HIJSIDLEY
B.
T. S.
,
i:pa1 I~ngineer
FRED A. , County Engineer.
'filE wlliETING waS called to consider ,the proposed
st. George street, Canadian National Hailways Grade Separation.
Iv.iIN1JTJTIS of the lneeting helct on January 13th.
were read and approved.
THE FOIJIIOv\r.ING HESOL1YP.IONS were adopted:-
IT
MOVED BY
CL.liliENCE CD-.LV~mH
SECOJl,1'DJI:D BY
GEORGE CROSS
THAT
R. COULTER act as Chairro.an for the joint
:meetings held in 1956.
C.4lL.T?RITGD .
IT VV.I~S MOVED BY
GJ1iOHGE CROSS
SJI:C OI:TDED BY
CLJlllJ:"!;NCE C1JLVER
TFJ'lIJ:\
. BELL secure the services of a firol
of consulting Engineers to make an investigation and
reconrrl1,endation as to the best location for a grade separation
in 'the vicinity of the present ;st. George Street and Canadic1n
Na>tional Railways crossing.
CARH.IE:n.
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Ifl~BRU&l1Y 1st. 1956.
IT
IVTOV}}JD BY
SECONDJ~D BY
GEORGE CROSS
J. C. Hn~1)Ia]Y
TB-AT THE N~ETING adjourns until Icalled
by the Chairrn..anto meet vv'i th a Special Co:nnni'ttel~ appoin teet
by the City of st., Thomas Council, when a conferenoe 'Vvi11
be helo. with the consu~ting ]]ngineers.
CARHIED.
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ST. THOMAS, OIl~ario.
January 13th. 1956.
THE ST. THOMAS SUBURBAN ROADS COMMISSION
met at the Court House at 2 p.m.
PRESENT - W. R. COULTER
GEORGE CROSS
VV. E. ROWE
T. S. CILDymLL, Municipal Engineer
F. A. BELL, County Engineer.
THE MINUTES, of the meeting held on
November 24th. 1955 were read and approved.
A LETTER was read from E. C. REID, City Clerk,
informing the Commission that W. E. ROvm was appoillted under
By-la.w to serve on the Suburban Roads Commission f()r the balance
of the present five year term which will expire on June 13th. 1958.
Mr. Rowe will replace Mr. Roy Bowey who has been C:lty Representative
for many years.
A LETTER was read addressed to W. R. Coulter
from Peter Laing, Mayor of St. Thomas, urging that more action
be taken in the preparation of plans for the ST. GEORGE STREET,
CANADIAN NATIONAL RAILWAYS GRADE SEPARATION. It ~ras decided
that Mr. Coulter interview the Honourable F. S. THOMAS regarding
the matter and report to the Commission.
THE FOLLOvITNG RESOLUTIONS were adopted:-
IT WAS MOVED BY W. R. COULTER
SECONDED BY W. E. RO~m
THAT GEORGE CROSS be Chairman of the
St. Thomas Suburban Roads Commission for the year 1956.
CARRIED.
-2- JANUARY 13th. 1956
IT WAS MOVED BY W. E. ROWE
SECONDED BY W. R. COULTER
THAT THE INVOICE from C. C. Parker & Ass0ciates
for the sum of $ 624.~O for Preliminary Plans and Estimates for
the FINGAL BRIDGE be paid.
CARRIED.
IT WAS, MOVED. BY
SECONDED BY
w. R. COULTER
W. E. ROWE
THAT the City of St. Thomas be billed
for the sum of $ 8,383.06 as its share of the 1955 Road Expenditures.
CARRIED.
IT WAS MOVED BY
SECONDED BY
Vi. R. COULTER
w. E. ROWE
THAT EACH CO~~SSIONER receive an Honorarium
ot $ 100.00 and expenses for serving on the Commission for the year 1956.
CARRIED.
IT WAS MOVED BY 'tv. E. ROWE
SECONDED BY GEORGE CROSS
THAT W. R. COULTER is HEREBY CHOSEN to be
the Third Member of the Commission until June 13th. 1958, as
provided for by Section 40 (2) of uTHE HIGH~'iAY IMPROVEMENT ACTn.
CARRIED.
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CHAIRIVIAN.
FRED. A. BELL. B.Se.. O. L. S.. M. E. I. C.
ENGINEER AND ROAD SUPERINTENDENT
NORMAN J. CHAPLOW
ASSISTANT ROAD SUPERINTENDENT
COURT HOUSE.
ST. THOMAS, ONT..
January 13th. 1956
CITY OF ST. THOMAS
IN
ACCOUNT
T;VI TH
THE COUNTY OF.ELGlJN.
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.-.-.-.-.-.-.-.-.--t.-.-.-.-.-.-.-.-.-.-.-.-.-.-.-.-.--.-.
SUBURBAN ROADS
RESURFACING AND GRADING
REPAIRS TO PAVEIVIENTS
SEAL COATING PAVETh~NTS
ICE AND SNOW CONTROL
DUST CONTROL
FENCING, GUARD RAILS
SIGNS, CENTRE PAINTING
DRAINS AND DITCHES
WEED AND BRUSH CONTROL
$ 14,811.30
5,559.59
6,002452
1,377.61
78.00
122.94
1,647.20
1,009.40
600.20
PROTECTION, C. & O. CROSSING, MIDDLEMARCH
COMMISSIONERS FEES AND EXPENSES
141.75
378.60
926.tQ
32,655.61
2,191:.t.5L
34,847.18
$
SUPERINTENDENCE
BRIDGES AND CULVERTS
CITY OF ST. THOMAS' SHARE
25% of $ 32,655.61
10% of 2-,191.57
$ 8,163 090
219.1~
$ 8,383.06
CERTIFIED CORRECT
COUNTY ENGINEER.
FRED. A. BELL, B.Sc., O. L.S., M. E. I. C.
ENGINEER AND ROAD SUPERINTENDENT
NORMAN J. CHAPLOW
ASSISTANT ROAD SUPERINTENDENT
COURT HOUSE.
ST. THOMAS, ONT..
January loth. 1956.
ESTIMATE FOR 1956 - ST. THOMAS SUBURBAN ROADS COMMISSION
CONSTRUCTING I.I MILES ROAD MULCH PAVEMENT (22 a.A) $ 9,000.00
SEAL COATING 6 MILES EXISTING PAVEMENTS 7,500.00
REPAIRS TO PAVE~mNTS a, 000.00
WEED. AND BRUSH CONTROL 600.00
ICE AND SNOW CONTROL
DUST CONTROL
RAILV1AY CROSSING PROTECTIONG (MIDDLEMARCH)
FENCING AND GUARD RAILS
SIGNS, CENTRE LINE PAINTING, ETG.
DRAINAGE AND DITCHING
SUPERINTENDENCE
LAND PURCHASES
COMMISSIONERS FEES AND EXPENSES
PLANS, SURVEYS, ST. GEORGE STREET AND
CANADIAN NATIONAL RAILWAYS
GRADE SEPARATION
1,400.00
200.00
150.00
500.00
2-,000.00
2:,000.00
1 J 000 .'()O
600.00
400.00
CITY OF ST. THOMASf SHARE
2:5% or $ 40,000.00
10% of 40,000.00
$
10 ,000.00
2;.650.00
40,000.00
40tOOO~oQ
80,,000.00
MISCELLANEOUS
BRIDGES AND CULVERTS
4$ 10,000.00
4.000.00
$ 14,000.00.