1958 Suburban Road Committee
ST. THO~ffiS, ONTARIO.
OCTOBER 16TH, 1958.
THE ST. THOMAS SUBURBAN ROA.DS COII/IMISSION
met at the Court House at 2 p.m.
ALL IVJ:EJV:[8gRS \tlere pre sent.
ALSO PRESENT - Mr" V\Jilliam Gooke of
D. H. O. London.
THE MINUTES of the last mee'ting were read
and approved.
THE ENGINEER reported on vITor}.\: to date,
including repair work to the St. George Street Bridge;
the Patterson Bridge; repairs to Guide Rail, Centreline
Marking and Seal Coating.
THE ENGINEER also reported that, to date,
approximately $40,000 had been spent on ~1aintenance, and
$2,000 on Construction.
PLANS of the -\j\Jellington Road Entrance were
examined, and property examined on the site. THE ENGINEER
was instructed to have the Consulting Engineer proceed with
Plans on the Dodd Creek Bridge.
THE ENGINEER was instructed to start
negotiations to purchase the property of William t1ay;
a lot ovvned by fJlr. Horton, and a portion of the property
of Charles 01""1"" and Claude Reid.
rvJEE:TING adjourned, to be held at the
call of the Chairman.
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CHAIHMAN.
ST. THOMAS, ONTARIO.
AUGUST 18th, 1958.
THE ST. THOMAS SUBURBAN ROADS COI~ISSION met at
the Court. House at 2 p.m.
ALL MEMBERS were present.
ALSO PRESENT - W~. William Cooke of D. H. O. London.
THE MINUTES of the last meet:lng were read and approved.
THE ENGINEER reported that Commission has spent
$31,504.00 to date.
THE ENGINEER reported on Centre Line Marking,
Weed Spraying and Seal Coating. Complete Repair's to Pavements'
were continuing. Repairs to the St. George Street Bridge would
be started within the week.
THE ENGINEER reported on Wellington Road Entrance,
with regard to status of construction and financial assistance from
the Cith and County, and he was instructed to proceed with surveys
in order to provide a comprehensive cost estimate for the Entrance.
IT WAS MOVED BY
SECONDED BY
GEO. H. CROSS
~'V. E fI ROV1E
THAT The St. Thomas Suburban Commission will
accept responsibility of the Road Allowance between the
Township of Yarmouth and Southwo1d opposite Lot C Gore Concession,
and the Road Allowance used in lieu of the Townline Southward
from Lot C to King'S Highway #4, if assUmed as a County Road,
and we request the County assume the same as a County Road.
CARRIED.
IT WAS MOVED BY
SECONDED BY
GEO. H. CROSS
w. E. ROWE
THAT The St. Thomas Suburban COnIDlission appoint
Mr. G. D. Black as Consulting Engineer for 'the Bridge over
Dodds Creek on the 'Wellington Road Entrance, subject to the
approval of the Department of Highways.
CARRIED.
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ST. THOMAS, ONTARIO.
AUGUST 18th, 1958.
IT WAS MOVED BY
SECONDED BY
vi. E. ROWE
GEO. H.. CROSS
THAT The St. Thomas Suburban Commission
express their appreciation to Mr. F. M. Cass, Minister of
Highways, and to ~~. W. L. Fraser and Staff for the
assistance in the resurfacing and centre line marking of
former Highway 123.
CARRIED.
ANNEXATION of an area of Yarmouth Township
by the City of St. Thomas was discussed.
MEETING adjourned, to be held a.1; the call of
the Chairman.
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Following consideration of your letter of January 15th
ct reQu.ired to the e , City Con.nc
its 2 Corruni ttee hEtVe consiclerD.i~ion in detail to
your st, consequentl~ at a meeting of the City Council
}1,::\1 d or) I\'nr'j 1 d'+'n i~ne fa] 'lO-f]"nf}' recorlYYlG"'lCl<'-l-'i o"} ()..c> ?
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Committee was adopted:
HThat in.sofar as fut1J.re en.ance and construction on
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llght 01 an oplnlon from the Clty Sollcltor, res ct
the City bOlJ.ndarydefined as the 1?left bank of :Kett~le
Gre ,vve advise the . Thorne.s Suburban I?oadf3 Comrnission
that the City of "Thomas does not consider the bridge
to be within the financial responsibility of the City and
will contribute to the maintenance and construction on
such bridge in the same manner as other roads and bridges
within the ,jllrisd.iction of the Suburban Hoads ComrnissionH.
A copy of the Solicitor's opinion referred to in the
foregoing resolution is attached.
Yours truly,
(0i~ned) F C Peid
O_-c.:>J.:. .w" ".l.\' .....'-.,
City Clerk.
c.c. - "H. S. Gibson,
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Re: St. George Street Bridge,
St ~_r.llom~~ Suburban ROA9-S ._~~~'1mi~E1-_9.}2.,,~
Referring to your letter of February lSth inquiring as to
the City boundary line at St. Georee Street.
My investigation con.firmf~ what you have suggested. as the
boundary, namely the left bank ~oing downstream. By
proclamation, dated the 1~2th of September, 11351, the
boundaries of the Village of St. Thomas were described as
follows, and I have underlined in that description the words
"\;IThich provide the ans'tver to your cuestion:...
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East Bank of the said Creek down the stream to the middle
Q)~...t11e-:-illowa~1c-e-}~~i::., rOE.ld ~tw~il.t~$evell~ll.. ancr"-~th ..
Q..qn c e e s i ~ n~~Q..[_~)l e ,_.~a ~ d T g'tms,Jl.-u? :
A DISCUSSION of this took place and the
Engineer rer)orted he was Etv.lai ting information from Mr. ~e. S.
Cald.'well 0 f the
cipal Branch. No action was taken.
THI~ PLAI'<fS
of the Wellington Road
Entrance were examined and the Engineer commented on them.
The CO~lission were desirOus of making certain changes and
empowered the Engineer to meet with the D. H. O. regarding
these changes and to continue surveys.
rrhe (jomn:,:Lssion
examined the line of the proposed Wellington Road Entrance
and connecting roads v-li th :Cynhurst C3..nd certain property tb.at
the Commission may buy.
THE COMJ.\iIISSION also examined the Property of
William son and the creek flowing through it. They
empowered the Engineer to reach suitable agreements with
Mr. Freeman and
son.
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examined the Property of
James McBain where the creek flows through and empowered the
E~ngineer to purchase property neces
to divert the ere
of '11o~~c ?50f~ qnrl 3C)O~ contJ'vlued
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, to be held at the call of
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ST. THOMAS, ONTARIO.
Ivlarch 12th, 1958.
THE ST. THOMAS SUBURBAN ROADS CO~~IISSION
met at the Court House, St. Thomas, at 4 p.m.
ALL ~~~~ERS were present.
THE MINUTES of the last meeting were read
and approved.
THE ENGINEER REPORTED on the work to date,
stating that the County had passed the Suburban estimates.
THE CITY REPRESENTATIVE, rJIR.w. E. RO'vJE,
is to meet vii th City Council on !IIIarch 17th to explain the
Suburban estimates to them.
THE ENGINEER REPORTED on the progress of the
V\Te11ington Road Entrance, stating that plans should be
available by June 1958.
THE ENGINEER also presented a report showing
road mileage of the Commission.
THE CON~TTEE considered a complaint from
Dr. Hare near Fingal Hill on Hoad 16 S.A. rI'his was examined
during H.oad Inspectj.on, and the Engineer was instructed to
write advising that the Commission did not think that any
condition on the Road'would cause water condition in
Dr. Hare's cellar.
THE CO~rr~TTEE inspected Road 25 S.A., the
location of the new entrance, and also Road 30 S.A.
~lliETING adjourned, to be held at the call of
the Chairman.
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C:H:AIRMAN. ..
R. G. MOORE. B.Sc.. P.ENG.
ENGINEER AND ROAD SUPERINTENDENT
NORMAN J. CHAPLOW
ASSISTANT ROAD SUPERINTENDENT
COURT HOUSE.
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ST. THO~4AS, ONTARIO.
January 14th, 1958.
THE ST. THor~s SUBURBAN ROADS COr~ISSION
met at the Court House, St. Thomas, at 2 p.m.
PRESENT:
w. E. ROWE,
W. R. COULTER,
Commissioner
if
GEORGE CRosa,
WILLIAM COOK,
n
R. G. MOORE,
Assistant District Engineer of
Department of Highways of Ontario.
Suburban Commission Engineer.
THE MINUTES of the last meeting were read and
approved.
Iff WAS MOVED BY
SECONDED BY
GEORGE CROSS
vi. E. RO~vE
THAT W. R. COULTER BE CHAIRMAN of the
Commission for the year 1958.
CARRIED.
IT WAS MOVED BY
SECONDED BY
\~'. E. ROWE
GEORGE CROSS
THAT THE ~m~mERSHIP FEE for the Good Roads
Association for the year 1958 be paid, a.mount,ing to $20.00.
CARIUED.
I T WASr~~OVED BY
SECONDED BY
GEORGE CROSS
Vi. E. ROVVE
THAT THE HONORANIUM for the Commission
Members be $lOO.OOand expenses, as last year.
CARRIED.
A LETTER FROM THE MINISTER OF HIGHWAYS
was read, in which he stated that the Department of Highways
would/
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ST. THO~lliS, ONTARIO,
January 14th, 1958.
/wou1d resurface former King's Highway #123, which is now
a Suburban Road.
THE REPORT OF THE ENGINEER was presented,
including the expenses for the y~ar 1957, also the estimates
for 1958.
IT WAS MOVED BY
SECONDED BY
GEORGE CROSS
W. E . ROttJE
THAT THE ENGINEER'S REPORT be accepted, and
that the City be billed for its share of the Suburban Road
expenditures for 1957.
CARRIED.
IT WAS MOVED BY
SECONDED BY
GEORGE CROSS
w. E. ROWE
THAT THE ESTI~4ATES as presented by the Engineer
be approved, and a copy of the Estimates be sent to the City
and County for approval.
CARRIED.
IT WAS MOVED BY
SECONDED BY
GEORGE CROSS
W. E. ROWE
THAT THE ST. GEORGE STREET BRIDGE ABUT~mNTS
be repaired, and the entire structure cleaned and painted,
and City approval be asked.
CARRIED.
A LETTER WAS READ FROM STRATFORD AND FANJOY
regarding a c,reek diversion throught the property of
lVlr. Sherwood Freeman. The Engineer was instructed to
negotiate with Mr. Freeman with regard to 'the diversion of
this creek.
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ST. THO~~S, ONTARIO.
January 14th, 1958.
/THE ENGINEER WAS INSTRUCTED to see
Mr. K. H. Siddall of the Department of Highways regarding
the planning of the Wellington Road Entrance.
IVIEETING adjourned, to be held at the call
of the Chairman.
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/advisable to continue these surveys and. purcb,ase all
right of \W.y possible this year itl 'this regard. ~ in order
to spread ~he costs over as long a period as possible@
I \'lould suggest 'the repair 1;0 "the St..;, Geo:c-ge
Street Bridge abut.menta I and the paini;ing of 1me c0111plete
structure 0 The 'total cost of the floor in 19~)7 wa.e
approximately $59;OOliJOO; the cost being sp11itt bat't3een
the 01't1 and the Suburban Commission.
I ~lou1.d also suggest that the three O()nCrE~te
Culverts on 'the ~~~ellington Road which ha.ve not, been widened;
be widened :l.rl 19St3$ eo that the present hand JraUs may
be removed, as these are a definite traffic h~lzard on a
road that is car"~J1ng approximately 2>>;00 veh:lcles daily"
The m6n.eY expended this year was le~as 'than the
~O,OOOoOO estimated, a.s OUI~ maintenance costs we:t"s iaJlOrly
lowt a.nd our Construction was dOltm.
A portion of the Goun'ty Overhead (8j:') has bean
charged 1;;0 tiha Subur~ban Roads6
This yearts budge~ is increased to 1~ake care of
our larger mileage of road, and our Construc't:ton on
hfellington Road.,
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C I T Y 0 If S T ~ THO I.ll A S
IN ACCOUNT \v~!.rH
COUNTY OF ELGIN
llii;__ TH,[~~~HQ!tV\ft_SJJJ~~.ROAD Q ~Q!:!il?lSI01i l~.qc:.qJHfJ;p-t~-1m
.~qn~~~~~~~~~ - Subsidized by Do H~ O:~
Grading Construction,
including paving ot Fingal Hill
Bridges & Culverts
F~,nga,l B~..dge
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r4rJ.intenance - Subsidized by D s H~. 0 &\
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Ste George Ste Bridge
Bridges & Culverts
Superintendence
Drains
Gradi"ng J (includi.l'1g shouldering
F'ingal Hill)
Resurfacing
Repai,rs Pavements
Ice & Sno'Vl Control.
Brushing
Dust, Control
. Guide Rails
Fencing
S:t.gns (Including Centra Line Maryj.ng)
RIl>. }t;ft\ Protection
Sea~ Coating
Overhead Subsidized
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Items Noij Subsidized b T D 1,j lit;! 0 @
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CC!ml1ittee l.;ember Fees &, Expenses
Weed Spray InsUI~ance
Overhead - Sick Benefi~s
Road Liability Insurance
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25% of 2~;4,~7g 636~4S
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SUB U R BAN EST I lwl A T E..J l' 9 ~ ~
Rateable Property City of St0 Thomas, 1957
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