September 20, 2001 Special Drain Meeting
M I N U T E S
OF THE CORPORATION OF THE
MUNICIPALITY OF WEST ELGIN
SPECIAL DRAIN MEETING
WEST ELGIN COUNCIL CHAMBERS
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SEPTEMBER 20, 2001
MEMBERS PRESENT:
Mayor Duncan McPhail, Deputy Mayor Graham Warwick
Councillors: Trudy Balint, Brad Bandeen,
Mike Mooser
STAFF PRESENT:
Joanne Groch, Administrator-Treasurer
Linda Cranston, Clerk/Deputy-Treasurer
ALSO PRESENT
: Rick Jackson, Road Superintendent
Wray Ramsay, Drainage Superintendent
Mayor McPhail welcomed everyone to the meeting and explained that throughout the
meeting, council would be dealing with engineer’s reports for four different municipal
drains, reviewing drain tenders, and other various items.
SUBJECT: ALDRED-PODEBRY DRAIN CONSIDERATION
Also in attendance: Dennis McCready - Todgham & Case & Assoc., Engineer for the
project. Wray Ramsay, Drainage Superintendent, Rick Jackson.
D. Aldred - property owner,
Peter Dutchak, County of Elgin - Drain Engineer,
Ralph Beharrell, Drainage Superintendent from Dutton/Dunwich
Mayor McPhail called the meeting to order at 9:30 a.m.
RES. NO. 1 Moved by Bandeen
Seconded by Balint
RESOLVED that Council consider the Engineer’s Report on the Aldred-
Podebry Drain.
DISPOSITION: Carried
The Clerk read over the correspondence from Bell Canada and Lower Thames Valley
Conservation Authority, and they had no concerns.
The Drainage Engineer, advised that the petition drain had been requested by Dugald
Aldred and Anna Podebry, under Section 4 of the Drainage Act. Dennis then went on to
give a brief review of the drain and to answer questions from council, property owners
and the County Representative.
Wray Ramsay presented a copy of a letter from Roy Greve, regarding a request to
address an on-going roadside ditch problem at this time as well. After discussions with
the Engineer and the Road Superintendent, it was decided that the catch basin would be
left in place, without a cover for the time being.
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The question of cut-off assessments for future maintenance was brought up, however
this type of question will be answered at the Court of Revision meeting, which will be
held in the near future.
RES. NO. 2 Moved by Warwick
Seconded by Mooser
RESOLVED that the Engineer’s Report for the Aldred-Podebry Drain is
accepted and the Clerk is instructed to prepare the necessary by-laws.
DISPOSITION: Carried
SUBJECT: BETHEL-PARK DRAIN CONSIDERATION
Also present for the discussions: Gerhard Weidelich, John Miller, Brian Buchan, Wray
Ramsay - Drainage Superintentent, Rick Jackson - Road Super and Dennis McCready -
Drainage Engineer, Todgham & Case Associates Inc.
RES. NO. 3 Moved by Mooser
Seconded by Warwick
RESOLVED that Council consider the Engineer’s Report on the Bethel
Park Municipal Drain.
DISPOSITION: Carried
The Clerk advised that correspondence had been received from Bell Canada concerning
the locates and also a letter from the Lower Thames Valley Conservation Authority,
recommending that any large, mature trees be left in place where possible on the open
portion of the drain, as they help shade out shrub willows and other species that impede
storm flows.
The drainage Engineer stated that Ontario Bethel Park Bible Camp Society and 571419
Ontario Limited had requested the report under Section 4 of the Drainage Act. He
proceeded to give a brief history of the drain and a review of the report submitted. He
then proceeded to answer questions.
Mr. Buchan had requested to have some extra tiles installed, however it was pointed out
to him, that he would be required to sign the Petition, and to date it had not been signed.
The Road Superintendent questioned the number of catch basins, and the engineer
explained that since the original report was done, it has been decided that another catch
basin would be installed on the other side of McColl Road as well as the first one. They
also decided that there should be a sloped top at the open ditches on the road
allowance. The Engineer apologized for not having the second catch basin inserted into
the design plans.
Mr. Miller had a question concerning the chosen option, and also wondered why the
price had gone up so much from the first meeting. The engineer explained the
difference.
It was explained that assessment costs will be dealt with at the Court of Revision.
Mr. Miller asked when the construction was planned to begin. The Drainage
Superintendent answered that there was a proposal to call tenders on a number of
drains at the same time for the coming spring, in order to get a better price from the
contractors.
Mayor McPhail asked if there was anyone present that wishes to have their name added
or deleted from the Petition, at this time. There were none.
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RES. NO. 4 Moved by Bandeen
Seconded by Warwick
RESOLVED that the Engineer’s Report for the Bethel Park Municipal Drain
is accepted and the Clerk be instructed to prepare the necessary By-Laws.
DISPOSITION: Carried
SUBJECT: FODOR DRAIN CONSIDERATION
RES. NO. 5 Moved by Mooser
Seconded by Warwick
RESOLVED that Council consider the Engineer’s Report on the Fodor
Municipal Drain.
DISPOSITION: Carried
Also present for the discussions: Ernie Fodor, Veronica Fodor, Peter Dutchak – County
of Elgin, Rick Jackson – Road Superintendent, Wray Ramsay – Drainage Superintedent
and Paul Elston, Burnside & Associates, Engineer for the project.
The Clerk Advised that correspondence had been received from Lower Thames Valley
Conservation Authority, with no concerns and a letter from A.N. Knowles who is satisfied
with the report and wishes that it proceed.
The Drainage Engineer stated that the original Petition was signed by Ernie and
Veronica Fodor to request the report under Section 4 of the Drainage Act, as it was a
requirement issue they have to meet, in order to have their severance consent
application passed. They were required to provide a proper outlet for the severed
property. The severance was granted, subject to the drain work being completed. Then
later last year, Mr. Knowles added his name to the petition.
Mr. Fodor wished to know the difference between using the underground boring method
or the open cut method. The Engineer stated that directional drilling is expensive, but he
explained that council could change this to an open cut, if they agree to the change. The
cost saving would be approximately $3000.00. Council agreed to the change, if they
receive a letter of understanding from Mr. & Mrs. Fodor to state the change requested in
the consideration report. Mr. Fodor also stated that he would be prepared to do a lot of
the final raking and seeding himself, to save some costs.
Mr. Fodor presented copies of his septic weeping bed design, which he obtained from
the Elgin County Health Unit. It shows the leaching bed to be about 30 feet from the
private drain.
Mr. & Mrs. Fodor also requested that they would prefer to have the work completed
during the dry summer season, preferable during July 2002. Council agreed this could
be inserted into the wording when it goes to tender.
RES. No. 6 Moved by Balint
Seconded by Mooser
RESOLVED that the Engineer’s Report, as amended by a letter of
understanding, re 14.40- pg. 6, for the Fodor Municipal Drain is accepted
and the Clerk is instructed to prepare the necessary by-laws.
DISPOSITION: Carried
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SUBJECT: FREEMAN DRAIN
Paul Elston, Burnside & Associates proceeded to give a background review of the
Freeman Drain, which was initiated under Section 78 of the Drainage Act. The
appropriate meetings were held, with no one requesting to back out of the petition at that
time. But apparently, about a week after the last meeting, Sebastian Pelcz had sent a
statement to the Drain Superintendent to have his name taken off the petition.
No one talked with Mr. Elston, nor did the Drainage Superintendent at that time. Then
about two weeks ago, John Johnston decided to have his name taken off the petition.
He also dealt with the Drainage Superintendent, and it wasn’t until the Clerk sent a copy
of the letters from the file, that Mr. Elston was even aware that anything had taken place,
regarding this drain. If Mr. Elston had been contacted, he would have explained to Mr.
Johnston that it will cost him more to take his name off, at this late stage in the process,
than it would to complete the work.
However, under the regulations, all owners signed on the petition, would have to agree
to take their names off. Serge Lebedz wants his name to remain on the petition, and he
also requests that it move ahead.
Council directed Mr. Elston to proceed with the report.
SUBJECT: CAHILL DRAIN
Mr. Elston also updated council that the Cahill Drain will proceed, once the Page Drain
report has been adopted, and Burnside & Asociates will then incorporate it into their
report for the Cahill Drain.
SUBJECT: ROACH DRAIN CONSIDERATION
Also in attendance for this portion of the meeting were: John Spriet, Jr. –engineer for
the project, Rick Jackson – Road Superintendent, Wray Ramsay- Drainage
Superintendent, and also Don Ciparis, representing landowner Irene Ciparis.
RES. No. 7 Moved by Bandeen
Seconded by Balint
RESOLVED that Council consider the Engineer’s Report for the Roach
Municipal Drain.
DISPOSITION: Carried
The Clerk advised that correspondence had been received from Lower Thames Valley
Conservation Authority with no concerns.
The Engineer advised that the original report prepared in 1967, was outdated and
pursuant to Section 78 of the Drainage Act, it was determined that a new report would
be required in order to accommodate the request for repair work on the drain, by the
affected landowners.
Council was questioned on the difference between the outlet benefit for open or closed
portion of the drain.
RES. NO. 8 Moved by Mooser
Seconded by Warwick
RESOLVED that the Engineer’s Report for the Roach Municipal Drain is
accepted and the Clerk is instructed to prepare the necessary by-laws.
DISPOSITION: Carried
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SUBJECT: RIPLEY DRAIN TENDERS
The following tenders were received for the Ripley Municipal Drain construction:
Van Bree Drainage - $95,684.75 (including GST)
McKenzie & Henderson - $84,991.60 (including GST)
Darryl Dick Drainage - $85,998.04 (including GST)
RES. NO. 9 Moved by Bandeen
Seconded by Balint
RESOLVED that the Council of the Municipality of West Elgin accepts the
tender from McKenzie & Henderson in the amount of $84,991.60 including
GST for the Ripley Municipal Drain Construction.
DISPOSITION: Carried
SUBJECT: KEUSCH DRAIN TENDER
The following tenders were received for the Keusch Municipal Drain construction:
The only tender received was from Van Bree Drainage in the amount of $24,062.16
including GST. After discussions, the following resolution was passed:
RES. NO. 10 Moved by Mooser
Seconded by Warwick
RESOLVED that the Council of the Municipality of West Elgin accepts the
tender from Van Bree in the amount of $24,062.16 including GST, for the
Keusch Municipal Drain.
DISPOSITION: Carried
SUBJECT: LINDENMAN DRAIN TENDER
The following tenders were received for the Lindenman Municipal Drain construction:
R & S Graham Contracting - $ 9,433.00 (including GST)
Van Bree Drainage - $10,250.60 (including GST)
McKenzie & Henderson - $ 8,934.50 (including GST)
Darryl Dick Drainage - $11,295.99 (including GST)
RES. NO. 11 Moved by Warwick
Seconded by Mooser
RESOLVED that the Council of the Municipality of West Elgin accepts the
tender from McKenzie & Henderson in the amount of $8,934.50 including
GST, for the Lindenman Municipal Drain construction.
DISPOSITION: Carried
SUBJECT: KRAUSE DRAIN TENDER
The following tenders were received for the Krause Municipal Drain.
R & S Graham Contracting - $6,754.00 (including GST)
Van Bree Drainage - $8,538.60 (including GST)
McKenzie & Henderson - $6,473.50 (including GST)
Darryl Dick Drainage - $8,799.68 (including GST)
RES. NO. 12 Moved by Bandeen
Seconded by Balint
RESOLVED that the Council of the Municipality of West Elgin accepts the
tender from McKenzie & Henderson in the amount of $6,473.50 including
GST for the Krause Municipal Drain.
DISPOSITION: Carried
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OTHER BUSINESS
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1. The Clerk informed Council that Ed Kalita had signed the Site Plan Agreement for
the Rogers Wireless tower.
2. The Clerk updated Council in regard to correspondence with the Railway Co. on
behalf of the new Health Centre.
3. The Clerk informed Council that George Vanceeder has installed a new well on
his property, and will not be connecting to the municipal water line.
SUBJECT: BY-LAW NO. 2001-38 – METER READING AGREEMENT
RES. NO. 13 Moved by Mooser
Seconded by Warwick
RESOLVED that the mover be granted leave to introduce a by-law to
authorize the execution of an agreement between the Corporation of the
Municipality of West Elgin and Advanced Meter Reading Services Inc. and
this shall be the first and second reading and provisional adoption thereof.
DISPOSITION: Carried
RES. NO. 14 Moved by Warwick
Seconded by Mooser
RESOLVED that a By-Law to authorize the execution of an agreement
between the Corporation of the Municipality of West Elgin and Advanced
Meter Reading Services Inc., and this shall be read a third time and finally
passed, signed, sealed and numbered – By-Law No. 2001-38 – Authorize
an Agreement – Advanced Meter Reading Services Inc.
DISPOSITION: Carried
SUBJECT: PAGE DRAIN CONSIDERATION
Also in attendance for this portion of the meeting was John Spriet, Drainage Engineer for
the project, Tom Page and Rick Jackson, Road Superintendent.
RES. NO. 15 Moved by Bandeen
Seconded by Balint
RESOLVED that Council consider the Engineer’s Report for the Page
Municipal Drain.
DISPOSITION: Carried
The Clerk stated that correspondence had been received from the Lower Thames Valley
Conservation Authority with no concerns.
The Engineer stated the drainage report was prepared pursuant to Section 4 of the
Drainage Act, after the Catholic School Board and the Municipal Road Authority had
signed a petition for work to be done. He went on to explain the report briefly.
Mr. Page had no questions concerning the design of the drain, however he does have
some questions on the assessment, so he will attend at the Court of Revision meeting.
RES. NO. 16 Moved by Warwick
Seconded by Mooser
RESOLVED that the Engineer’s Report for the Page Municipal Drain is
accepted and the Clerk is instructed to prepare the necessary by-laws.
DISPOSITION: Carried
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SUBJECT: JANET PINDER – COMMUNITY COORDINATOR
Janet Pinder gave a presentation on the concept of a part-time Community co-Ordinator
position. Some aspects of the position would be to investigate grants available and
prepare the necessary documentation that is required as back-up for the grant
submissions. She also has looked into an after school transportation program that she
would like to get started to provide transportation for children in Rodney and West Lorne
to be able to attend after school functions and programs.
Her proposal would be to work out of the Rodney Town Hall location or at a computer
terminal in the Municipal Office. She would also like to be able to offer a Community
Events Co-ordinator service into her work also. In this capacity she would be the
network centre that people could call to get information, directions, etc. in order to co-
ordinate an event – i.e. – Santa Claus parade, downhill derby, etc. Files on these events
could be kept in one location, thus anyone needed numbers, names, lists, quantities,
etc. could all be accessed through Janet.
It was proposed that this position would be approximately 20 – 25 hours per week @
$15.00 per hours, plus some expenses. Council was receptive to the concept, however
they felt it should be discussed further and it will be taken back to the Chamber of
Commerce for some input from their group. This will be brought forward at the October
Council meeting for further discussions.
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Janet has agreed to attend a workshop on October 4, 2001 for grant submission
information, and she thanked council for their time.
SUBJECT: TRI-COUNTY INTERCONNECT AGREEMENT
The Administrator advised Council that once the interconnect agreement is signed with
Southwold the payment of approximately $750,000 will be due. The money is payable
through Tri County. It was proposed that this could be funded through the municipality at
a reasonable rate. If Council is in agreement Joanne will approach the Tri County Board.
Council gave approval to the Administrator to proceed. It was suggested that a one-year
demand notice clause be inserted into the debenture document. Prior to finalization
Joanne will report back to Council.
SUBJECT: ADJOURNMENT
RES. NO. 17 Moved by Bandeen
Seconded by Balint
RESOLVED that Council do now rise and adjourn from the Special
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Drainage Meeting at 3:30 p.m. to meet again on October 11, 2001.
DISPOSITION: Carried
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These minutes were adopted on the 11 day of October, 2001.
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MAYOR CLERK
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